Pak Lah should be ashamed of calling himself "cucu ulama"
Truly, I am pissed. This is yet another reason why this Encik Jellyfish is not fit to rule this country and safeguard the aqeedah of the Muslims in the country. And you call yourself a “cucu ulama”? Poorah!
Asked about the growing number of religious disputes dominating news headlines, he clarified that Muslims can leave the religion but they must first bring the matter to the state religious authorities.
Mr Abdullah says: “This is not something that cannot be done. It has happened before. Those who have decided to leave the religion for some reason, they don’t want to be Muslims anymore, what can you do? If they want to leave the religion, what are you going to do?”
What bull is this? You have 2/3rds majority in Parliament, legislate the law on apostasy from Islam as soon as possible! If you do not have the political will to do it, there are other people who will.
I have a feeling that his late grandfather, Sheikh Abdullah Fahim, would certainly have a different view on apostasy and curse his grandson from the grave. Pak Lah can start finding solutions to “what can he do” about apostasy in the country by reading up on Apostasy and Blasphemy in Islam.
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Pingback by Ittaqullah! | Blog Archive » I have a pondan for a Prime Minister — July 11, 2007 @ 1:31 pm
I don’t think Lina Joy chose Christianity because of trinity or the bible. Same goes for Aishah Bokhari and Revathi. Non-Muslims men should learn more about Islam before proceeding with their intentions of marrying Muslim women.
Comment by abuhanaan — July 11, 2007 @ 6:51 pm
Religion should not be forced onto. If someone embraces a religion, the sole reason for doing should be love and belief and nothing else. Why force someone into believing something he/she fail to appreciate. I think it's better to culminate stronger belief in exisiting believers. Focus on quality, not quantity.
[MENJ: It is not your place to speak about the punishment of apostasy from Islam, disbeliever.]
Comment by logic — July 12, 2007 @ 1:19 am
I thought Logic's comment only mentioned "religion" and did not specify any particular religion?
Kena hentam by the moderator pulak !
Comment by Rodin — July 12, 2007 @ 2:55 am
revathy made the choice even before she found her man. the the commentator, get yr facts right.
to the blogger; what would you think a man of his position should have done? stone apostates to death in a public venue?
[MENJ: A man of position would implement the hadd punishment for apostasy, which is the capital punishment, period.]
if apostacy a blasphemy, may Allah be the judge and punish whoever when her time comes. that is between whoever it is and HIM.
[MENJ: This is where you are wrong. Dead wrong. Refuse to follow the Law of Allah and His Apostle? Don't call yourself a Muslim! Buat malu kaum sahaja.]
Comment by Fuad — July 12, 2007 @ 6:41 am
if apostacy a blasphemy, may Allah be the judge and punish whoever when her time comes. that is between whoever it is and HIM.
You can use a bigger font to refer to Allah, but it is of no use if you fail to comprehend what was revealed in Al-Qur'an and Traditions of the prophet.
Comment by abuhanaan — July 12, 2007 @ 7:11 am
[MENJ: This is where you are wrong. Dead wrong. Refuse to follow the Law of Allah and His Apostle? Don’t call yourself a Muslim! Buat malu kaum sahaja.]
i have been a muslim for 40 years. how long have u been a muslim for?
[MENJ: So you hav been a munaafiq for forty years. I see.]
who are you to come and talk to me with disrespect? who gives you the right to question my knowledge of Islam? why? just because u sit in a classroom?
[MENJ: I don't give a fuck whether you are a Muslim for forty years or four hundred years, you are still no better than a kaafir. A person who has been a Muslim for only one day and yet believes in the Qur'an and Sunnah is better than a person who claims to be one for a thousand years but disbelieves in God's Law.]
And its not about 'Kaum'. Malays have it dead wrong. "kaum" does not matter in the other side.
The young malay boys like you have alot to learn.
Comment by Fuad — July 12, 2007 @ 5:38 pm
Islam is a violent religion indeed!
Comment by abu tak hanaan — July 12, 2007 @ 8:12 pm
so what happened to revathy's rights to her own choice? mmg no way? u saying if that she doesn't believe in her parent's belief system, she only has one way : death?
im just asking
enlighten me
Comment by mahendran — July 12, 2007 @ 11:43 pm
logic has no right to talk about Islam, he/she is a disbeliever,Fuad has no right to talk about Islam coz he's only been a Muslim for 40 years.Only those learned enough,like MENJ or Al Zarqawi or abuhanaan (i.e. whoever agrees with MENJ) speaks for Islam
MENJ, question-by your definition- Malaysia is not a Muslim country, as we don't implement Islamic law.Same goes for 2/3rds of OIC members, also by your definition (Turkey,Jordan,Indonesia).My question- should we be kicked out of OIC and OIC disbanded?
Comment by Emmanuel — July 13, 2007 @ 3:20 am
Fuad, it is not how long we've been a Muslim, it is whether we'll die as one. And feel free to substantiate your comments with verses from Al-Qur'an and/or Hadeeths, considering the amount of years you've spent as a Muslim.
Comment by abuhanaan — July 13, 2007 @ 4:20 am
Our PM finally makes an intelligent statement.
Comment by kumar — July 13, 2007 @ 10:49 am
Pak Lah is a real bastard. Go to hell with you.
Comment by Firdaus Omar — July 13, 2007 @ 3:32 pm
abuhanaan, advocating hate and disunity like wht you and MENJ does guarantees that you die a muslim? why ? do you think its brownie point collection?
i know my verses, i know my hadith, but i am not a boastful person. i have nothing to prove to you kids. i am just very disappointed with you young ones who think you have it all figured out.
May Allah have mercy on your souls.
Comment by Fuad — July 13, 2007 @ 6:01 pm
Differing with what Allah and His Apostle sent to us guarantees Hell, Fuad. That much I believe. Quoting Qur'an and Hadeeth is not synonymous with being boastful it is rather an obligation of a Muslim to remind his fellow Muslims.
Comment by abuhanaan — July 13, 2007 @ 8:57 pm
Fuad,
We really should have a cup of coffee!
Comment by Emmanuel — July 13, 2007 @ 9:46 pm
abuhanaan, you do not have a say on what is guaranteed at the after life. sorry, as much as ppl like u and MENJ want to think so , you do not have tht priveledge.
Condemn ppl to hell all you want, at the end of the day, HE decides.
What we have is the interpretations of the Quran. And seriously, i am sick of ppl defining things as they wish. It is the root of all the problems within the faith, as all it does is allow my faith to be hijacked from within. To me the Enemy is not 'them', it is the rot from fellow believers.
Comment by Fuad — July 13, 2007 @ 11:07 pm
[MENJ: So you hav been a munaafiq for forty years. I see.]
you do not get to decide what I am. I decide, He judges. It appears that you are the one that lacks the knowledge of the Quran
[MENJ: I don’t give a fuck whether you are a Muslim for forty years or four hundred years, you are still no better than a kaafir. A person who has been a Muslim for only one day and yet believes in the Qur’an and Sunnah is better than a person who claims to be one for a thousand years but disbelieves in God’s Law.]
I do see now you are down to this level of discussion. Again, by the words and hate you spread, it appears that you are the one who gravely lacks knowledge of the Quran
[MENJ: Who said that we are having a "discussion"? I am not interested in discussing ANYTHING with you, munaafiq.]
Comment by Fuad — July 13, 2007 @ 11:13 pm
Fuad says,
i know my verses, i know my hadith, but i am not a boastful person. i have nothing to prove to you kids. i am just very disappointed with you young ones who think you have it all figured out.
May Allah have mercy on your souls.
My response,
Brother Fuad if indeed you are a muslim who holds
the hadis and the Quran as principles in your life then you must agree as what brother Abu hanaan said that qouting the hadis and the quran
is not synonymous with being boastful it is rather an obligation of a Muslim to remind his fellow Muslims.
Menj and abuhanaan maybe young , but that doesn't mean that their opinion about Islam is inferior to yours. As long as you are not a liberal muslim
who interpret religion with logic and modern
philosophy, there is still room for discussion.
But if you are one, then i fear you will be refuted for using logic against the Hadis and Quran, even though it was on good intention, cause by doing so you are nearing the path of the unbeliever.
Comment by AL=ZARQAWI — July 14, 2007 @ 1:11 am
Fuad not boastful? Claiming to have a 40 years experience as a Muslim and ask others how long have they been one sounds like a boast to me.
Comment by abuhanaan — July 14, 2007 @ 2:06 am
Menj,
Your Muslim "brothers" are raping the nation.
Why arent you doing anything about it ?
Comment by Iman — July 14, 2007 @ 2:17 am
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Comment by Silly Pat — July 14, 2007 @ 4:29 am
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Comment by Silly Pat — July 14, 2007 @ 4:30 am
someone who advocates a different approach for the benefit of the muslim faith is a munaafiq then? yr friend Al-Zarqawi presumes that MENJ is to be taken seriously albeit his age. with his kind of response, who can?
you want PAS to rule the country. to do that you need 2/3 majority. to reach that majority, you need to show a dynamic approach to islam. remember, malay-muslims make up 55% of the population, even if you get 100% votes from them, it will not ensure yr 2/3. it does not mean ppl are munaafiq to advocate a different approach, it is simply an intelligent way to reach ones goal, which is to try and take away the ruling powers from the current powers tht be.
and the intelligent way certainly isnt cursing, swearing, shouting hate, and screaming for blood.
it certainly isnt islam Hadhari either.
people like you menj has ensured that the opposition is nothing more than a laughing stock.
abuhanaan, the reason why i mentioned my age is because some kiddo instructed me to not call myself a muslim simply because my opinion differs..
reflect on yrselves and go figure.
it wont make a difference though as the rot from within Islam and muslim has already been Prophesided by the Holy Prophet himself. The blog owner and his band of high horse friends are a shinning example of that
Comment by Fuad — July 14, 2007 @ 6:04 am
abuhanaan, the reason why i mentioned my age is because some kiddo instructed me to not call myself a muslim simply because my opinion differs..
Differs with him or differs with Allah? Remember your stance on the murtads.
Comment by abuhanaan — July 14, 2007 @ 7:08 am
so, MENJ's view is Allah's view now?
Comment by Fuad — July 15, 2007 @ 2:40 am
so, MENJ’s view is Allah’s view now?
No, he's merely upholding what Allah revealed to us. You don't. He's angry because you chose to differ with Allah, not with him. You can always differ with him on any other things, but definitely not on revelations.
Comment by abuhanaan — July 15, 2007 @ 6:14 am
And i am upholding the fact that he does not know what differs and whats does not to the revelations
Comment by Fuad — July 16, 2007 @ 9:08 am
i know my verses, i know my hadith, but i am not a boastful person. i have nothing to prove to you kids. i am just very disappointed with you young ones who think you have it all figured out.
I hope this thing wont come out of hand.
Dear Bro. Fuad.,
If you are angry to these kids of saying bad things to Pak Lah, you got the right to say anything which you want to say.
Except for your sarcasm on:
to the blogger; what would you think a man of his position should have done? stone apostates to death in a public venue?
I know that you are are getting piss off with MENJ due to some of his remarks on the govt. But as an adult, you should see much bigger picture.
The harbis are putting comments on our govt, the judiciary system and also inequality in job market. Nevertheless, Islam is being targetted and these harbis are unopposed until Bro. Zarqawi, Abuhaanaan and myself entered the ring.
If you are sincere in educating these young ones,we shall see the difference after they had started working, involved in real politics and know the real manners of the PAS leadership.
For now,let them be in the idealistic world, dont kill their ideas and also their thoughts. Your ideas are most welcomed but do remember, your responsibility shall not conceal only to the "young muslims" but also to those harbis.
There is a saying: kera di hutan disusukan, anak sendiri kelaparan.
So, please look at other threads, and you can see how these harbis are waging war on people like MENJ, ABu Hanaan, you and me.
If you really sincere, you can see the reality, they dont care whether our leader is Pak Lah, Hadi or Anwar, they only want more, economically and spiritually.
In the end, what left for Malay and Muslims?
Comment by Saul — July 16, 2007 @ 7:22 pm
Gentlemen,
The question is what can we, as Muslims, do to reign in our leaders who are happily making a mockery out of us ? Where is the Imam's and Mufti's ? By keeping quiet arent they doing a great dis-service to the ummah?
Comment by Iman — July 16, 2007 @ 11:21 pm
And i am upholding the fact that he does not know what differs and whats does not to the revelations
So please enlighten us, forty years a Muslim…..
Comment by abuhanaan — July 17, 2007 @ 4:00 am
[MENJ: This liberal kaafir's comment is deleted and from this point onwards BANNED from ever commenting on this blog again.]
Comment by Fuad — July 18, 2007 @ 5:40 pm
Dear Brother Fuad,
Forty years of leading your life as a Muslim should be more than enough for you to sense the antics of the enemies of Islam.Just look at the bloodied hands of those behind Hamas and Fatah, the shitholder behind the sunnis and the shites in Iraq and Musharraf's poltics with the people in the Red Mosque.
The enemies of Islam comes in various forms and there is no exception here in Malaysia.I understand your diplomatic approach to your religion and respect that sincerely. But I also give my salute to Menj and the other Islam defender of his kind. If you are all so knowledgeable in Islam as you seem to be, don't use it against your brothers but use it against the enemies especially the conniving liberals. We , at Menj's blog are dealing with serpent tongued bashers who have half baked knowledge about the religion and smooth taliking and diplomacy does not work well in this warfeild. So don't fall trap to the bloody hands of the enemies by waging a war of words with fellow muslim but use your diplomatin weaponry agaist the non muslims who are less barbaric than the ones you find in Menj's blog.In that wat, we'd be working and complimenting each other and not against the samw warriro which would thrilled the enemies.
Comment by Ahyad nawi — July 18, 2007 @ 5:46 pm
Bro Fuad, if you need to see how hell bent and vicious the enemies are, try faithfreedom.If you cannot stomach it, try Bismika allahuma, the enemies are more passive and diplomatic over at this blog.
Comment by Ahyad nawi — July 18, 2007 @ 5:48 pm
I agree with brother Ahyad nawi, Muslims must concentrate our effort and strength in dealing with the true enemies of our religion.
Comment by AL=ZARQAWI — July 19, 2007 @ 5:00 am
We , at Menj’s blog are dealing with serpent tongued bashers who have half baked knowledge about the religion and smooth taliking and diplomacy does not work well in this warfeild.
I am comparatively new here and my observation from the older threads had confirmed what Bro. Ahyad Nawi had said.
Islam had been bashed and even in threads that got nothing to do with Islamic themes had been filled with anti-Islamic comments.
At the sametime, those who promote unity can't even asked the harbis to tone down, but when we fought back and started to gain victory, then this traitors of the ummah start to show their true faces, by backstabbing us and supporting the kuffar.
Look at the harbis, when their forces started to dwindle, some pathetic commentors from their side will give excuses i.e. all religion promote unities, Jesus and Mary is also figures in Islam etc with many sympathetic comments that wont came out if they know that their on the winning edge.
But where are these liberals when we are at the losing points?
They are nowhere to be found! Their action are comparable to cheap skates selling their back for a very cheap price!
Comment by Saul — July 19, 2007 @ 7:46 pm