Wafa Sultan got owned
Yes I know I have been rather slow on updates, and this will continue for the next two to three weeks as I busy myself with Ramadhan, links exchange, programming and documentation work….
But here’s the thing about Wafa Sultan, that crazy Arab-American byotch whose video was and is being circulated around by her adoring legion of Islamophobic fans. The video, originally released by MEMRI, was heavily sanitised and censored. What came out was merely a fraction of the whole show. Of course it was not mentioned that in the later part of the show Wafa Sultan got owned by the guest visitor of the show, Ibrahim al-Khouly, a professor at Al-Azhar University in Cairo, Egypt.
I am only mentioning Wafa Sultan now because I found that even months after the actual show (it was in early January I think…could be wrong here), Islamophobes are still circulating the links to her video, whether it is to MEMRI or it is to YouTube.
The full transcript of the actual debate can be seen here. Downloadable PDF file is here. In fact if I do come across some idiot singing praises of Wafa Sultan, I think I’ll just pass the link to this post to them….
i dont think she got owned? i think ppl like u are accusing her of tht to save yr face..
why dont u prove it? a transcript doesnt count..
which would u believe? audio /visual or a transcript..
in the video , we see the fanatics fumbling and getting hit like stealing candy from a baby..
u present to us a transcript..something tht extremists can easily create a fake.
i have seen the video, and its way more convincing than your claim of an "original" transcript.
I respect her for being brave to call a spade a spade.. and admit it, if u think with a level mind, she does make alot of sense.
Comment by level — October 6, 2006 @ 1:36 am
Well, since the majority of Islamophobes can't understand Arabic, they won't be able to read the official network transcript themselves.
That's why we translated it, so people could draw conclusions based on the full debate, not a brief clip.
So you can a) dispute the translation (which would necessarily demand knowledge of Arabic at the level of a native speaker) or b) dispute Wafa's ownage by the Islamic scholar (we discussed it extensively after publishing the translation).
Saying that a transcript doesn't count is absurd. Networks publish transcripts all the time.
Comment by eerie — October 6, 2006 @ 6:46 am
Do you have a video footage of the 'whole' show?
Comment by Emmanuel — October 6, 2006 @ 6:54 am
Even if you've to rely on the video..one must pay attention,whether a qualified person was representing the opposite position.
Thanks
omar
Comment by Omar — October 6, 2006 @ 7:26 am
I;m just wondering you people who fear and smear Islam. Since we all live in a country, whose majority are Muslims, do we normally see this kind of outburst just about anywhere by the normal Muslims?
As I travel in some parts of the world, and living in Malaysia, mixing with the Muslims have never been a problem for me.
Careful what suspicion may bring you, people. Can believe in Karma, what you victimize the inocent, will bite you back in life. Trust me.
Comment by Sister Safiyyah — October 6, 2006 @ 8:14 am
Written by: eerie
Posted on: October 5, 2006 at 10:46 pm "Well, since the majority of Islamophobes can’t understand Arabic, they won’t be able to read the official network transcript themselves.
That’s why we translated it, so people could draw conclusions based on the full debate, not a brief clip".
Im not denying the existence of a full network transcript.. i am questioning the translation made by the extrimists. Im sure ppl like u and menj will never gv it a neutral and unbiased perspective when doing the translation…
even the full transcript translation had the same contect of the "edited" version u claim memri had done..
so the question still remains;
1) Who are you to call ppl by the names they did not choose?
2) Why is it tht one minute they are kafirs, the other they are "people of the book" the next minute they are ppl tht will incur Allah's wrath? why???
3) When the bamiyan buddhas were destroyed, did we see buddhists burning mosques, and bombing embassies?
4) Is it not true tht you are to slay and kill disbelievers, so it says in yr "holy" book?
Even the trascript u translated carried the very same words wafa had mentioned, and even in the transcript, the opposition were not able to answer her..
why dont u try answering the above questions..since u say tht she was wrong..or in MENJ's words..a crazy arab – american bitch (very islamic of him) ..
Comment by level — October 6, 2006 @ 5:20 pm
"Im just wondering you people who fear and smear Islam. Since we all live in a country, whose majority are Muslims, do we normally see this kind of outburst just about anywhere by the normal Muslims?ent here."
I see it all the time with ppl like MENJ.. "kill all apostates" remember?
Comment by level — October 6, 2006 @ 6:58 pm
I was under the impression you did not classify normal Muslims and abnormal Muslims, only so-called Muslims who want to blow themselves up and Muslims who don't.Problem is the 'proper' Muslims who just want to move on in life without having being frisked every time they pass an airport aren't distancing themselves enough from your average suicide bomber.
As for the Bamiyan Buddha statues, thank goodness the newly discovered sleeping Buddha statue (a really old heritage) was not discovered by the overly emotional, highly reactionary Taliban.
Isn't Karma a Hindu concept?Does that make you a HinMoo.. Sister Saffiyah?
. No need to answet that, it was just tongue in cheek.
Comment by Emmanuel — October 6, 2006 @ 9:28 pm
You ask us to respect yours but it
works both ways.
Sister Safiyyah,channel your energies into helping liberate your Muslim sisters in Afghanistan or Sudan.Does Sister Safiyyah think that it is right to have different, oppressive rules for women, whilst men can do as they please?
Comment by SAM — October 7, 2006 @ 3:29 am
Emmanuel,
Yeah. yeah whatever.
I believe whatever you do in your life, no matter how tiny, you won't get away with it. This is what I mean by Karma. So, try doing something that do hurt to someone, IT WILL come back to you one day. AND when it does, it usually is very ironic and very awkward. Nothing to do with religion; when it comes to the Universal truths like this – people often say the same thing, but different manifestations of it.
Let's not be rhetoric or 'intellectual' here. Just look around you, are there any crazy fanatics making your life hard, or are the majority of Muslims very peace loving people and most of the time let you go on your way.
SAM,
What do you mean by your statement, huh? Stop eating the Islamophobe's statements as if they are the truth. If you want to comment something about Islamic rules, do it with knowledge, understanding and the truth. Ask the Ustaz. You make yourself look like a fool shooting blanks.
Comment by Sister Safiyyah — October 7, 2006 @ 4:31 am
Saffiyah- Happy fasting.
Yeah, I do believe in Karma.I do believe in the boomerang effect.I am glad you do as well.When you roll out your home made explosives and blow people up in bars, yeah it will hit you back some day.
When you destroy other people's places of worship in the name of religion, yeah it will hit you back one day.
I also believe in Universal Truths, in those of democracy and freedom and peace.In those of social justice.That's why you cannot have honest dialogue when there is a mosque in Rome but no church in Saudi Arabia.
Indeed, you reap what you sow.And I am glad in Malaysia we are not sowing so much bad stuff that we will someday reap.The effects of this ill will towards your neighbour is already being seen in Bangladesh, Indonesia and Sri Lanka.
I am all for fair and honest dialogue.I believe it is the only way to solve our many problems in the world today.Better to face off at the discussion table today than face off in the battlefield tommorow.
Comment by Emmanuel — October 7, 2006 @ 5:55 am
I couldn't have said it better. This is the reason why 'moderate' Muslims isn't getting a very good image also. It is quite hard to find 'moderate' Muslims who denounce acts by Muslim terrorists. They have much sympathy for all those terrorists masked as 'freedom fighters'. Killing of Israeli women and children are OKAY since they took our brother's land. Hmm.
Comment by Curious2know — October 7, 2006 @ 7:36 am
safiyyah said;
"I believe whatever you do in your life, no matter how tiny, you won’t get away with it. This is what I mean by Karma. So, try doing something that do hurt to someone, IT WILL come back to you one day. AND when it does, it usually is very ironic and very awkward"
Can we then say tht all the oppression, domination, oppression, attacks against the muslims now is the outcome of wht was sowed by the muslims over the yrs.. the number of wars it caused , the number of hurt muslims hv done, the number of sufferings muslims hv created..maybe muslims are being hit back now for all the wrongs you hv done…law of karma maybe hmm?
Comment by Mrtd — October 7, 2006 @ 7:44 pm
Interesting blog, which you may be interested in;
http://exposinguncletoms.blogspot.com/
There is something about the niqab, and some Muslims responses. It will be updated with people like this too…
Comment by Exposing Toms — October 10, 2006 @ 1:18 pm
Here is the other side of Wafa Sultan discussion on al Jazeera — part that was missing in mermi tv and hundreds of youtube videos of that discussion
Part1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRLWFKB30yk
Part2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4tKZv4THCA
Part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....k&
Part4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpRPnwYHc9w
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